"You know, it was funny, the editor of that department in Vanity Fair at that time, saw something that I did of Martha Graham. And he wrote to me, and asked me if I would be willing to go to Hollywood. And then, he said also, please state your preferences. And I said "Ugly men" because they never complain, you know. So, that's what I got - I got ugly men. And the few women that I photographed, I don't believe any of them were ever used. Oh yes, one was. You know, Vanity Fair seemed to think that Hollywood was right next door to Oakland. And they would give me a quick telegram that I was to be there, and I had an appointment."